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Common Core, The Controversy – Instruction or Indoctrination

The Common Core Educational Curriculum will be a FEDERALLY mandated program attempting to fit every single child, Nationwide, into the same box. Local schools and communities will LOSE control of their own systems. Find out more July 30th.

Common Core – The Controversy – Instruction or Indoctrination

Tuesday July 30 at 7:00 pm

Easley First Wesleyan Church 104 West 6th Ave Easley, SC 29640

 

Directions to the MeetingFrom Pickens take route 8 south to Easley.  Turn left on West 6th Ave and go about two blocks to the Easley First Wesleyan Church.   From Liberty take highway 93.  When you reach Easley bear right then left onto Ross Ave. Turn left on Hwy. 8. Then turn right onto W. 6th. Go about two blocks to the church.  From Clemson take 123 to the Hwy. 8 exit in Easley.  Turn left at bottom of ramp, go to W. 7th Ave. and turn left.  Go to S. 3rd and turn Right.  Go one block and the Church will be directly in front of you.  From Greenville, take 123 all the way through Easley to the Hwy. 8 exit, and turn right.  Go to W. 7th Ave and turn LEFT.  Go to S. 3rd St. and turn RIGHT.  Go one block and the church will be directly in front of you.

 

Common Core - We hear about it everywhere, meetings taking place and articles written in papers coast to coast, north to south.  There seems to be no middle ground, once people learn about it they are either for or against, there is very little middle ground.  But what is it exactly?  What is its real purpose?  Truthfully, I don’t know.  I’ve heard everything from it being the federal government’s solution for a failing education system unable to prepare our students to compete in a global environment to it being a part of UN Agenda 21 designed to indoctrinate our children to become dumbed down worker bees for a new global government.  I’m sure the truth lies somewhere in between, but where?  How shall our youth be taught in our schools and under whose direction?  When the other sections on history and civics are released will our country be changed forever?  Maybe we can find out at our meeting, dig out at least part of the truth so we are able to make intelligent decisions.  Be prepared to participate and learn from experts on both sides of the issue.  The truth is out there, it’s our duty as citizens to find it.

Presented by Pickens County Taxpayers Asociation

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Dennis Reinert

President, Pickens County Taxpayers Association




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Jeff Green July 14, 2013 at 06:56 PM
Just out of curiosity, will there be someone there representing both the "pro" and the "con" positions for Common Core? I'd be interested in attending if there will be experts there who can field questions. Intuitively I do not like the idea of opening the door to federal control of the educational curriculum, but on the other hand an argument can be made that we as a nation could benefit from a single set of uniform standards that every state's educational system were held to - but then again, I've always considered tests like the "SAT" and "ACT" as filling that role, so I'm not sure why we need a set of standards mandated by the federal government, and which must be adopted in order to receive federal educational funds, but on the other hand, people whose opinion I've respected have endorsed it, so maybe I'm missing something...lots of angles to this thing, and I'd like to come if there will be experts on both sides of the issue there to respond to questions.
JS July 14, 2013 at 07:03 PM
Excellent question Jeff. The answer is "YES". There will be speakers for both sides of the issue.
Zoe Brown July 14, 2013 at 08:35 PM
Mr Green, There certainly will not be anyone at this meeting representing a counter-view, long-range view or wide view. If you attend the meeting you will witness a biased, contrived, poorly substantiated, wanna-be tea-party teeth grinder that will end with some loving for Alex Saitta, Rick Clark and/or whichever of Ben Trotter or Jim Gillespie that has said something incendiary or overly biased enough to need propping up. How do I know? Easy. The write-up says Dennis Reienert and the Pickens County Taxpayer Association is involved. The PC Taxpayer Association under Dennis Reienert does not waste it's time engaging people that might counter it's propaganda. Anyone that might counter their preconceived notions or political agenda gets attacked. The funny thing is that most of the people at a PC Taxpayer Association meeting are salt of the earth, generous, hard-working folks with great common sense ideas.
Zoe Brown July 14, 2013 at 08:40 PM
The problem with the PC Taxpayer Association is with the few people currently running the group: Dennis Reinert, Weldon Clark and Johnelle Raines. These few have abused the good faith of their membership and the Pickens County people to the point that a lot of people are doing what I did: voting with their feet! I asked my friends and family to stop attending the Taxpayer Association meetings and to never give them dues again while Dennis Reinert, Weldon Clark and Johnelle Raines run it! It feels to me like those three are apparently using the group as their own personal ego extension and means of gaining them access to political officials. Just read their newsletter: 3/4 of it is articles from Alex Saitta! Also, most of their public releases back up some elected officials idea or issue. That is NOT grassroots advocacy or Tea Party, that is being a shill. Under their lead, the club has moved away from it's stated purpose of protecting property rights and they are now using the group to chase after anything that catches these three people's attention. (Answer this: what does the Common Core have to do with property rights?) When that stops, I might be able to say different about supporting the group...well if they brought in some more professional people to run the club. I don't see that happening. So, please don't expect anything more than a poorly moderated, biased, "we're against everything" meeting. By that, I mean every meeting they host, not just these common core sessions. If you go, test my opinion about their approach: ask if there are any education professionals in the room. Be specific that you mean people that are currently working in SC education dept. or PC schools. Let us know how many attend the meeting!
Zoe Brown July 14, 2013 at 08:47 PM
By the way, even if one day they decided to bring in someone to present different ideas, where would they get somebody dumb enough to trust them or stupid enough to waste time with nothing to gain but being associated with people that are against everything and open to nothing. Trying to present a logical, well thought-out counter-argument to one of their agendas would be like kicking over a dead skunk in the road to talk it into weighing out the benefits of not rotting. Skunk-talkers and anybody brought in by the PC Taxpayer Association leadership to bring different views or engage the PC Taxpayer Association will probably end up the same way: either covered in something you can't wash off or blind-sided in the middle of trying.
JS July 14, 2013 at 09:11 PM
Zoe, you obviously have your opinion. You just as obviously did not read my answer to Mr. Green's post. I have been informed by several sources there WILL be both PRO and CON presented. Whether or not anyone is willing to listen to both sides, is totally up to the individual, and that would include you. This post is intended to bring awareness of the issue the citizens of Pickens County, and the fact that there IS both a PRO and a CON. Both sides will be presented. Only those who oppose free and open government would not want that to happen.
Zoe Brown July 15, 2013 at 12:54 AM
Mr TPE, We will see how things play out, then people can decide whether your group is fostering dialogue or using the "taxpayer" organization to fulfill the self-interests of a narrow few. For, me I already know what will happen. Regarding free and open government, well at least we can agree on that.
JS July 15, 2013 at 07:30 AM
Only one more thing I should be clear about Zoe. PCTPA is the organization sponsoring, and presenting the event. I am helping provide the venue, and some publicity, but I am not a member of PCTPA. I have done my own research and found Common Core to be a sham. I personally believe it is bad enough I would call it "ObamaCore". Opposition to Common Core is widespread throughout the USA for good reason. I encourage peaceful attendance at the presentation, and allow everyone to draw their own conclusions.
Zoe Brown July 15, 2013 at 08:40 AM
Mr TPE I think you just proved my point.
JS July 15, 2013 at 09:10 AM
Whatever! It seems to me you are doing everything you can to "poormouth" an event that will bring information to the citizens of Pickens County. If you are an authority on Common Core, I am sure the event planners would consider you as a speaker. Back up your opinions in public with your true identity.
Zoe Brown July 15, 2013 at 02:30 PM
Mr TPE (is that an initial?) You seem like a reasonable guy and you already said you are not part of the club I referred to in my comments, so there's no need to be defensive or abusive over a difference in perspective. Also, if I show up in person and say exactly what I have already said about the "taxpayer" leadership both here and elsewhere, wouldn't that go completely counter to my own opinion (clearly written above) that it's a waste of time?
JJR July 15, 2013 at 07:06 PM
It is a shame that people try to discourage citizens to participate in a fact finding avenue such as an open forum on an issue as important as our children's future. One's personal opinion of a group or person shouldn't discourage other's from the opportunity to attend a meeting and be able to form their own opinions without being "tainted" by someone else's personal observations. If Zoe Brown is truly interested in helping our children become productive citizens then trying to discourage people from finding out about both sides of the argument is very manipulative. The forum will have Sheri Pie representing the "cons" aspects of Common Core, she is CEO of South Carolina Parents Involved in Education and the forum will have Sharon Huff Assistant Superintendent for Instructional Services School District of Pickens County representing the "pros" aspects of Common Core. My point is there will be both sides of the issue present and I don't see how it would be possible for there to be a "narrow view"...when you have both sides well represented. It sounds to me like Zoe Brown is the one with a "narrow point of view."
Zoe Brown July 15, 2013 at 08:48 PM
JJR, I apologize if it appears as if I am arguinge a point about Common Core. I am not. My comments clearly discuss my opinions about whether the forum will be an open venue for ideas. Above, Mr TPE wrote he has "found Common Core to be a sham. I personally believe it is bad enough I would call it "ObamaCore"." Isn't that a discouraging and biased personal opinion? Doesn't communicating your clearly pre-conceived position "taint" your potential for offering a bias-free forum. Again, you guys have proven my point. It seems like people practicing your brand of liberalism lash out & start screaming about how "it's for the children" as soon as you have to defend your ideas or demonstrate some transparency.
JS July 15, 2013 at 09:16 PM
Zoe, I can not only assure you, but hopefully prove to you I can be unbiased when presenting a debate. During the last election cycle, my group produced the Pickens County Debate Series. We presented debates during the Sheriff, School board, and State Senate district 2 race. At the time I made it no secret who I favored, but in spite of that, every candidate agreed the debates were extremely fair and unbiased. Now I offer you the proof - Feel free to watch the complete debate series at these links. If you find anything in the production that seems biased, just say so here. County Sheriff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBgSR2x0xpM School board: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87w9YSzcjgI State Senate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsLEhECn46Y
Zoe Brown July 15, 2013 at 09:37 PM
Mr TPE, I'll watch them, but please consider that no one is talking about you, and you already said you are not the host. The question here is whether the "taxpayer" club's current leaders can do something they have no track record of doing: hosting an un-biased and open dialogue.
DReinert July 15, 2013 at 09:54 PM
Tsk Tsk Zoe, so much bitterness and venom, so few facts. You seem to have some issues with conservatives who freely give of their time to serve Pickens County. Such a shame, since I never hear your name out there serving the county. First of all Zoe, I believe you owe Sharon Huff, Assistant Superintendent for Instructional Services School District of Pickens County a most sincere apology. "Dumb', "stupid" Please Zoe, this highly intelligent and well educated person has the commitment to put her belief in Common Core before the public in order to provide factual information so they can make intelligent decisions. Personally, I highly respect her for this and I'm very interested in what she has to say. Next Zoe, you seem to be assuming that the PCTA has some biased agenda. Please feel free to copy and paste ANY official statement put out by the PCTA, or even me personally, indicating any position on this issue. I know I do not hold one, and I stated so clearly in the news release. The PCTA stands for reasonable taxes, spending that money wisely, and holding those who spend it accountable for how they handle it. Now, it seems you don't agree with those principles, but be assured, our "salt of the earth" members do, and we are elected by them to represent their view. We also strive to educate the public on issues important to our county, and in spite of your personal opinion we attempt to hold our debates in a fair manner. Last, I'm offended Zoe, all this built up bitterness, all this hatred, and yet, after 3 years as president of the PCTA you still can't get my name right. Please do your homework, it's REINERT. Thank You, hope you attend the meeting.
Zoe Brown July 16, 2013 at 12:05 AM
Mr Reinert, please accept my apology for misspelling your name, it seems that the maker of my phone believes you may not know how to spell your own name. It is good that Mrs Huff will visit with you. I am curious though. Do you think that there is any possibility that the school district felt compelled to send someone out to your debate? Your organization is widely believed to be a front for Mr Saitta, and it is well known your group was behind Jim Gillespie, Ben Trotter and Judy Edward's elections. That's 4 of 6 votes. Wouldn't that "taint" your debate if you're open, fair and balanced arena isn't filled with totally volunteer gladiators?
Zoe Brown July 16, 2013 at 12:18 AM
Also Mr Reinert, I apologize, but some of your comments confuse me. You have attempted to belittle & smear me and debase my position without answering my specific point. While that is a common tactic of your brand of liberal, it is unprofessional and unbecoming of the leader of an influential community group. I clearly stated my opinion regarding how you and a select few others appear to be "guiding" the taxpayer club in a manner best designed to further your political designs and stated my opinion about your limited potential for hosting an unbiased public dialogue. I also referenced some reasons why I hold my opinion of your leadership team. Could you please explain how that translates into an issue with conservatives or conservative principles? It is unclear to me how you can infer my personal principals from my unfavorable opinion of your leadership team. It seems to me that you think anyone that disagrees with you, offers a counter- view, or is critical in a way that tests your ability to explain your actions in a transparent manner must be principally opposed to you. That is a false and egotistically convenient position, and I appear to have predicted your reaction earlier when I commented that you "would attack anyone that might counter your preconceived notions or political agenda". For the third or fourth time today, you appear to you have proven me right: by lashing out at me, calling me bitter and venomous, and full of hatred you pretty much fell in line with my comments about your "attack-it" approach.
Zoe Brown July 16, 2013 at 12:31 AM
You seem like a nice enough person Mr Reinert and I am sure you are working hard to do your best, but your leadership team needs to do some self reflection. 3yrs is a long time for anyone to run any organization (think term-limits), and I bet some of the others have been in charge longer than that. The organization does not belong to you, and you have a fiduciary responsibility to both members and the public to be effective, professional and consistently transparent.
DReinert July 16, 2013 at 09:29 PM
Well Zoe, you are entitled to your opinions, same as anyone else. You still failed to post anything from the PCTA stating our position one way or the other on Common Core. Of course Common Core has been discussed by our membership and board, it's an important issue to the community. But we quickly discovered that there is too much misinformation and confusion to take a position, thus, the purpose of this meeting which, unlike other meetings which present only one side of the issue, has representatives from both sides. There being no position at this time, I fail to see your point. How can we have a biased debate when we have no position to begin with, and where have you seen an actual debate giving opportunity to both sides of the issue at one time? Perhaps you're looking for something that's simply not there, or you have pre-conceived notions which you can't get over. Now Zoe, allow me to quote you. "By the way, even if one day they decided to bring in someone to present different ideas, where would they get somebody dumb enough to trust them or stupid enough to waste time with nothing to gain but being associated with people that are against everything and open to nothing. Trying to present a logical, well thought-out counter-argument to one of their agendas would be like kicking over a dead skunk in the road to talk it into weighing out the benefits of not rotting. Skunk-talkers and anybody brought in by the PC Taxpayer Association leadership to bring different views or engage the PC Taxpayer Association will probably end up the same way: either covered in something you can't wash off or blind-sided in the middle of trying. " Seriously Zoe, think about it, what kind of response did you expect? I used venomous, but perhaps you can describe your statements in a more pleasant term. There is obviously nothing I or anyone can say which would have any impact on your opinion, or your seeming dislike for our conservative representatives on the school board. As I invited you previously, I will do it again, feel free to attend the meeting. You did bring up something new, I believe this is the first time I've ever been accused of being a liberal. Are you saying that as some kind of insult?
JJR July 21, 2013 at 04:54 PM
The leaders of PCTA are elected by the members at a members meeting...they are not appointed. You can even nominate yourself Zoe.
Em Wilson August 01, 2013 at 11:14 AM
I'd love to hear how the 7/30/13 Common Core Curriculum informational meeting went!
JS August 01, 2013 at 11:41 AM
Em, I am so glad you said something. The meeting went extremely well. Easley First Wesleyan Church was packed! In addition, 344 people watched live on line. The complete, unedited event is now available to view on demand. It lasted just over 2 hours, and here is the link to the program. If this does not show as a link, just copy and paste it in your web browser. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7shOIN377Q

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