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Poll: Ron Paul Popular, But Unelectable

This week's Power Outsiders poll found support for the congressman, but also a belief that he can't win.

 
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Rep. Ron Paul has done well in multiple national polls, and won a couple of early straw polls, but his GOP candidacy does not have legs.

That's according to this week's HuffPo/Patch Power Outsiders poll, which surveyed 190 influential conservatives in the early primary/caucus states of South Carolina, Iowa, New Hampshire and Florida.

Two-thirds of those surveyed said Paul takes a stand on issues with which they agree. But only 21 percent said that he could beat President Barack Obama in the general election and 14 percent believe he can win the Republican nomination.

Only 28 percent of respondents, when asked to give one word to describe Paul, provided a positive word. More than one-third of responses provided a negative word. The remainder of responses were neutral.

Related Topics: Power Outsiders, Ron Paul, and Spring Valley 2011

Edward Lee

4:01 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011

What makes only 21% of them say Ron Paul can beat Obama? General election polls show that Independents will vote for Ron Paul over Obama. Even some Democrats will vote for Ron Paul. Do those insiders, 2/3 of whom agree with Paul, believe Republicans will vote for Obama over the guy who has proposed $1 trillion in spending cuts as well as $500 billion in tax cuts for the first year in office?

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windwardtack

4:01 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011

Maybe the Patch should educate their 'outsiders' that Ron Paul routinely polls better than any other GOP candidate against Obama with the one exception of Mitt Romney, and has out performed Mitt Romney on occassion, as well. One wonders why, with so much media on the presidential race, this fact isn't well known and people are still confused thinking Ron Paul can't win. Why don't you poll "If all had an equal chance of winning, which would you vote for" and see who wins that poll?

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Andy Kent

4:10 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011

I disagree about the idea that he is "unelectable." The person we're talking about here is someone who as president would actually obey the law in the constitution. How is that "unelectable?" Our president currently in office shreds the constitution on a daily basis legislating with executive orders and bypassing the congress and senate. This sort of thing undermines the entire basis upon which our government was founded. He should be impeached for this garbage, and some of us still want to re-elect him because he's doing what's right for the people supposedly and bypassing the big bad republicans. None of this stuff he is doing will amount to anything and the debt of the country will be even higher. We need REAL, PRIVATE SECTOR, JOBS. Not some kind of government construction temp work. No amount of government spending or programs will ever make that happen.

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Iva

4:25 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011

How can influencial Conservatives be ousiders? The bluehairs would rather have Obama in there than Paul. They know Obomba will at least will take our country into WW3 for them. The poll game is wearing thin. These polls only matter when the writers want them to. Paul has the better chance of beating Obama because the neoconservative Warpigs are washed up. We saw that last election when the 'peace" candidate won. There are more Democrats out there than reps.

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Noah Cocke

1:24 am on Thursday, October 27, 2011

True but many Dems support RP.

Jackson Baer

4:29 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011

You gotta love Ron Paul. He speaks the truth and doesn't care what people think. Agree with him or not, you have to respect his honesty and consistency.

http://www.whatthehellbook.com/the-book/

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Noah Cocke

1:20 am on Thursday, October 27, 2011

Indeed. He has integrity and conviction as well. He doesn't flip flop like all other candidates.

Jack Carter

5:39 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011

Ron Paul has spent more money on chartered flights than any other candidate during this campaign. Ron Paul sent out a letter in the state of SC claiming the Boeing plant was shut down...Boeing was very surprised to hear that as their production line is booming. Ron Paul plays on the fears of women with the "baby in a bucket" commercial. Ron Paul thinks it's OK for Iran to have nuclear weapons. Ron Paul has accepted campaign donations from white supremacists and after finding out, did not return their tainted money. Need I go on? Ron Paul will never make it to the Republican nomination because his thinking is far off base with the majority of Americans....both conservative and liberal. The nicest thing I could say about the man would be he is "consistent." Consistently nuts.

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drew

9:59 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011

**- Chartered flights
This is contribution money. He is campaigning harder than many others, including people who are much younger and unemployed, *cough* Romney... I’ve given him money and I will give him more when I can. What is your point?
**-“The Boeing plant
I cannot find a reference to this fact. I may have missed it, or it wasn’t publicized, either way the only search results for a number of queries listed one or two from “patch.com”.
**-“Fears of women
Dr. Paul as an OB/GYN who has delivered over 4,000 babies, is against abortion, however, on a federal level he says the president has no authority to dictate policy. That is a state issue.
**-“White supremacists donations
Completely and utterly irrelevant; however it was a onetime donation of $500 in 2007, and below are responses from both sides.
Direct quote from Dr. Paul aide _msnbc
"Dr. Paul stands for freedom, peace, prosperity and inalienable rights. If someone with small ideologies happens to contribute money to Ron, thinking he can influence Ron in any way, he's wasted his money,"
Direct quotes from white supremacist (ironically his last name is Black) _msnbc
This individual DID NOT, donate because of shared beliefs.
“"We know that he's not a white nationalist. He says he isn't and we believe him, but on the issues, there's only one choice,"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22331091/ns/politics-decision_08/t/paul-keeps-donation-white-supremacist/
**-Need I go on?
Please. No.

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reg

11:24 am on Sunday, December 4, 2011

he claims he never votes for earmarks, but he puts them all over in bills (and when he knows the bill will pass, he votes against them to retain his claims) http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/12/23/ron-paul-on-meet-the-press/ Votes against Amber Alert: http://www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?cs_id=8533&can_id=296 Wails about term limits, but served 11 terms? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QdQYEtwTNY&playnext=1&list=PL57534D54882DB848 Hides behind "states rights" arguments on everything, swearing no intention of racism ... but accepts donations from racist organizations? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22331091/ He's affiliated with military privatization (got lots of $$ from Blackwater's owner - http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003948606_blackwater14.html); CIA subcontractors working for Blackwater were active in his last campaign (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOIUWy_iY80). established racist http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/16/politics/animal/main3721817.shtml with racist staff http://reason.com/archives/2008/01/16/who-wrote-ron-pauls-newsletter endorsed by former KKK grand wizard David Duke: http://www.davidduke.com/mp3/dukeradio080109.mp3 Made up the crap that the Affordable Healthcare Act was creating 16,000 armed IRS agents to spy on citizens: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhDxxdYwksU claims "you don't have a right to medical care" - http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=12224561

Jaayy

8:20 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011

Any Ron Paul supporter who has seen GOP insiders marginalize Paul’s successes, attempt to bar his supporters from GOP events, or “scatter” ballots in Iowa and in other party straw polls, could have offered you the same conclusion.

These self-identified “influentials” are keeping Reagan’s “big tent” as small as possible, despite the fact that no other candidate in the race motivates independents and young people like Paul. No other Republican can capture so large a portion of the voters abandoned by pro-war, economy destroying Obama.

What terrifies these “influentials” is that Paul can do without them. Paul has built a campaign organization, and base of activist supporters that every other campaign marvels at and envies; and Paul can raise funds from actual voters in a magnitude that surprises or shocks rivals. Paul is reaching voters despite negligible media coverage, and this entrenched caste of GOP apparatchiks.

Suggested further research for novice pollsters:

(1) Why didn’t Alfred Landon win the presidency in 1936 in a “landslide” as Literary Digest declared prior to the election? What does this suggest about Patch, and its survey sample?

(2) Given that Herman Cain’s poll numbers derive from older GOP voters, and many people who were until recently (falsely) castigated as “lily white” (or worse) Tea Party members, how with the “Wilder Effect” or “Bradley Effect” influence actual election day ballots for the Cain book tour?

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Noah Cocke

1:19 am on Thursday, October 27, 2011

Jaayy, I couldn't have said it better myself. I wish people would quit going with flavor of the week. Perry was the chosen one by elites and now he is crashing and burning. So now they look to Herman Cain. He used to run a Federal Reserve bank. No thanks on Cain. The Doc is the best hope for America!!!

John Everymann

10:53 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011

190 voters? Wow i believe those results. I`ll take 190 peoples word. over the hundreds that vote for him at straw polls. BTW He has won 6 straw polls.

Let me analyze this. Bachmann, Santorum, Huntsman, Johnson are all done. None are polling well in the early states.

Perry might hang in there for a little bit, But you can see the desperation. Bringing up the bither issue. He will keep fading. He has a lot in donations. He will most likely make commercials attacking mitt, Most likely help Newt, Cain and Paul.

Cain has another 2 or three weeks to say more stupid things.. He lied about the fed, electric fence, Abortions flip flop. In another 2 weeks, Or after the next debate he will be join the others. His health is also questionable. Look at donations. He does not have any.

Newt Gingrich.. After Cain falls he will take his place. The Christian base will research him and realize, Hes a adulterer, Hes been married 3 times. No family values. Show a lot by donations also. He has spent 15 million, Yet only received 3 million in donation, The past 3 quarters. Make you wonder. He wont last long on top.

Then the Christian base will look at Romney again. It will never happen, Hes a Mormon flip flop. Hey maybe he has a chance if he changes religions. Wouldn't surprise anyone, The way he flops.

By the time the primaries start, Everyone will have bashed each other into the ground. Except for the only man they cant bash. It will come down to Romney and Paul.

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Noah Cocke

1:23 am on Thursday, October 27, 2011

The best part is, they are not going to be able to find any dirt the Doc. The only thing they have to try to damper is to say "he can't win". I think they are going to fabricate something probably and it is going to backfire.

Herbvandelay

8:09 am on Thursday, October 27, 2011

And right here is the PERFECT EXAMPLE of why Ron Paul.is unelectable on the national stage….just like Rick Perry. They are not smart enough from a ‘world perspective’. They are ‘small-time’ politicians with small, narrow minds and only appeal; to voters of ‘like mentality’. Most of the voters that support Paul , Perry and the tea baggers are uneducated "followers".

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SDR

9:50 am on Thursday, October 27, 2011

Please share more of your educated world perspective.

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John Everymann

7:26 am on Friday, October 28, 2011

Your calling me stupid? Oboombatard? Be sure to watch my video. All of his supporters are retards, Including you. He got elected because hes half black and he was the opposite of Bush. Come to find out hes Bush 2.0. 20 million plus unemployed Americans? Jon Huntsman could beat Obama.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm1KOBMg1Y8

Tim Cavanaugh

1:50 pm on Thursday, October 27, 2011

REVOLUTIONS ONLY GROW FROM SUPPRESSION. THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!

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Adam S.

1:59 pm on Thursday, October 27, 2011

Haha Herbvandelay still thinks they're playing by the rules in these elections. Do explain, Mr. Vandelay, why the 2004 election was between George W. Bush (R) and John Kerry (D) even though they are both members of the secret Yale fraternity known as Skull and Bones, AKA the Order of Death.

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Dominick Abbate

2:11 pm on Thursday, October 27, 2011

Dominick Abbate
Integrity, thats Ron Paul. Honoring his word as himself. As early as 1976, he stood on the same values. He is one of few polititians who doesn't break there word at the swear in. Honoring the constitution. Give up the old conversation that he can't win, You as an American vote with integrity on the canidate that supports your veiws and will do the job, then we will see Integity in Washington.
GO RON PAUL

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Matt Hengy

7:07 pm on Thursday, October 27, 2011

Lets see. Ron Paul predicted three years before 9-11 that occupying and bombing the mideast would stimulate terrorist reprisals abroad AND at home. He predicted the dot-com bubble and burst and in 2001 was talking about a housing bubble, burst, and the causes. He asked Bernanke if we were going to bail out Greece and other European countries when no other politicians were. He predicted the debt crisis home and abroad. He predicted gold up, and the dollar down. Yeah, he is extreme if extreme means that you are a sea of right in an ocean of wrong. Vote for Dr. KNOW.

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ReadIt

11:48 pm on Thursday, October 27, 2011

Ron Paul is merely an old man without a porch to yell from....

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John Everymann

2:42 pm on Saturday, October 29, 2011

Ok. Who are you supporting and why? Please enlighten me.

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ReadIt

6:29 pm on Monday, October 31, 2011

Honestly, I'm not liking any candidate at all. I'm looking for someone who at least acknowledges that the answer is never in the extreme, that listens to both sides of an argument, understands both sides, sympathizes with both sides and then formulates a political opinion. The Republican Party has let me down since 2004. They keep aligning themselves further and further toward the extreme right. The more they do that, the more they distance themselves from voters like me who do not claim a party and who are merely looking for a person, not a party, to become president.

I'm still a conservative, but I'm not voting for any of these people.

Ron Paul wants to take government out of everything -- I'm all for cutting waste, but the less government is responsible for, the less blame they can give themselves. On the flip side - the more gov't is involved in, the more red tape and obstacles to progress & innovation are put into place. I'm not looking for a president who wants to cut practically every gov't department (including education, which is by far the most insane, and plain idiotic thing anyone can suggest) - I'm looking for someone to streamline.

If all candidates keep proving they align themselves too far right - they will lose the independent vote, and lose the election. If the Republican party wants to win 2012, they have to appeal to more than just their friends & family.

This country isn't just black or white, nor should it be just red or blue.

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William Delano Gaston

10:02 am on Friday, December 16, 2011

Insults. Becaues that's all you sheep have.

He's old? So thats it???

I can give you 20 reasons, based on actual FACTS, to not vote for Obama, Gingrich, Romney, or any other of the idiot establishment hacks.

Panderers, shills, flip-floppers. Paul is none of these.

Sorry your candidate sucks and has no chance to win, but don't take it out on Ron Paul.

He has done NOTHING but fight the people who have SCREWED THIS COUNTRY UP for decades. He fights even for YOU little sheep who believe everygthing Fox and CNN tells you.

Michael

3:25 pm on Friday, October 28, 2011

I'm an Independant and I support Ron Paul.

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John Everymann

1:26 am on Tuesday, November 1, 2011

We survived without the department of education before 1980. Since the government has been involved the quality of education has actually declined. So its not really that radical. Its only been around for 30 years. Can you name off one fed department, That has been a success?

The less involved they are, The less blame they have to take?? Hahaha They are bureaucrats, They think they own us. They don`t give a crap. Who is there holding them responsible for the bailouts? They never have to take responsibility for anything.

I really do not understand what you mean by "Too far right, Or too far left"?? The only difference between a Bush and a Obama. Abortions, Taxes, Healthcare. That`s the only difference between all these politicians. All of them but Ron Paul. They are not for the people. Bush was for the Military industrial complex. Obama`s for the banks. I don`t agree with Ron Paul on everything. But we really need to pay down our debts. Otherwise my children will have no future. 2016? 20 Trillion debt? Sounds pretty bad.

You should watch this video. Its a 3 part, 30 minute video. Its about Newt Gingrich, But its also about the Department of education. No crazy conspiracy theories, Actual facts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02HX5v5Thpk

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Jonathan Allen

10:28 am on Tuesday, November 1, 2011

@John Everyman - "Can you name off one fed department, That has been a success?"
Governing is an ongoing process. Various departments will have varying levels of success and failure throughout their existence. No department is going to be completely successful at everything, just like no private company is going to be completely successful at everything, and no individual person is going to be completely successful at everything (even Steve Jobs had failures). That said, I would say that the EPA, on the whole, has been relatively successful. Since it's creation not a single American river has caught fire like the Cuyahoga River did in 1969 (and several times prior to that), the air and water in the United States on the whole is cleaner, though problem areas remain around some major cities still, and pollution controls have spurred both innovation and efficiency gains. Additionally the American Bald Eagle has made a resounding comeback from my childhood when it was an endangered species. The U.S. Park Service also tends to get generally positive reviews from all sides. And NASA, despite some notable failures, like forgetting to convert from metric to feet and inches on a multi-million dollar Mars probe resulting in its destruction, two space shuttle disasters and tragic deaths of astronauts in a launchpad fire during the Apollo missions, has given us countless technological and scientific advances for a relatively small investment (less than 1% of the total federal budget).

stanley seigler

1:37 pm on Saturday, October 29, 2011

@John Everymann
re: Be sure to watch my video.

great exposé..."we have met the enemy and it are us"...and no one party has a monopoly on lack of knowledge...for a start would like to ask GOP-tpers

1. under which party does our economy do better?
2. which party is better for old, po, and special needs folks?
3. who pays for emergency room care?
4. were the founding fathers Christians?

these just for a start...so many more questions...and so many clueless voters...also so many knowledgeable ones...but too many live on party line talking point sound bites.

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ReadIt

11:05 am on Tuesday, November 1, 2011

@John Everyman

Pretty sure the Department of Defense has done a fairly good job throughout history overall. If not for technological advances, namely the internet, then for protecting our homes.

And yes, education has its huge flaws - but you're talking to the child of two public school teachers who, despite the ridiculous red tape and standardization of education and this movement to blame teachers for everything, have continued to believe that it is education that drives this country. Cutting the entire education department shows the rest of the political world that the government doesn't care about the education of its future, that they'd rather leave it the same "job creators" who got us into a recession. If you think there is disparity among schools now - especially in lower income areas - just wait till there is no federal funding whatsoever....

We need to rethink the role of gov't in education - or at least its focus on a product instead of the process. It's nonsensical to believe that an 8yr old needs to focus on bubbling in answers rather than critical thinking and problem solving (but of course also knowing that 2+2=4). If we believe that education is the most important pubic good on this earth, which most would agree, then that needs to be reflected at every level of gov't - assuring that every American has access to an education that will allow them to succeed, thrive, and benefit in life.

I just don't think Ron Paul or the other candidates truly grasp it

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John Everymann

1:22 pm on Wednesday, November 2, 2011

I just dont feel the government should be involved in social issues period. Its not their place. The department of denfense is somewhat of a success, Because that is all the government should be involved in, Defending us. The US government was not created to be strong, What i interpret from the constitution, It was created to be weak. They should not be involved in mariage, Education, welfare, drugs, ect. Where will it end? Its common knowledge. More laws, More departments, Less freedom. Let me rephrase my question. What social issue has the government been successful with being involved in? The only one i can think of, Is the civil rights act.

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Robert

11:22 am on Friday, December 16, 2011

And even the civil rights act was unnecessary and unlawful. Racism is a dysfunction of the heart, not the law. If the constitution is correct and all men are created equal than it is an over reach by the government to tell anyone, people or their business what they must do. I can not understand racism but if it takes a law to stop it, it would have been completely over in 1964. We should never try to fix matters of the heart with law. This process leads down the slippery slope that we're on now, trying to make everyone equal through law. It doesn't work. Freedom is the greatest uniter.

stanley seigler

1:27 pm on Tuesday, November 1, 2011

@John Everymann
re: Since the government has been involved the quality of education has actually declined.

could you provide data/opines education has declined since 1980...

the only evidence i find is in the GOP-tpers rhetoric...there is no global warming (climate change)...the earth is 6000 years old...

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stanley seigler

9:40 pm on Tuesday, November 1, 2011

@ John Everymann

re: could you provide data/opines education has declined since 1980...

never mind...i believe education has declined...just have questions re cause...

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Alan Clifton

6:13 am on Wednesday, November 2, 2011

Sometimes I believe these article exist to continue the mantra of he can't win. If they keep repeating it long enough, they hope that it comes true. Everyone I know who has listened to what Ron Paul is saying believe he has to win to restore sanity to our government.

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Eric

2:16 am on Thursday, November 3, 2011

We don't need any more ni69a puppets..or bushed-whacked crackaz, NO!! We NEED Ron Paul!!!!!! 2012 ..or all he'l| breaks loose..

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Robert

10:48 am on Friday, December 16, 2011

So why do "they" say he's unelectable? It can't be his antiwar stance because most democrats and independents support that. It can't be his small federal government ideas because almost all republicans love that. He's the only one that has foreseen the bubbles and warned against them, so that should give him credibility. He's the only candidate who has voted the same since first coming into office. He's the only candidate that doesn't change his views to the poll tested view of the week. So what is the only thing that all of these politicians and media have against him? I think power, which is money. He is the only candidate who will give the power back to the people, and that is scary. That means no more bailouts or bribes. That means no more war for money. There are a lot of people who lose a lot of money if Ron Paul is elected. Don't believe the hype people. If Ron Paul wasn't electable than they wouldn't be writing articles like this! There would be no point.

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Zach

11:55 am on Wednesday, January 11, 2012

What ever happened to just voting for the man that was for your values and for your country! If a Ron Paul supporter for example wanted to vote for him but didn't because he was" unelectable" and cant win then that person is not a supporter at all. If every single voter did that then Ron Paul or any candidate would not have any votes! Research every candidate who out right cares about you? News media is not a source they are as much as a source as wikipedia. They LIE! Make an informed decision for yourself and vote for the man no matter what!

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Zach

12:15 pm on Wednesday, January 11, 2012

@ ReadIT
I'm confused, i don't think the federal government needs to be in the school system. I'm curious what your opinion is on why twenty years ago schools had money for kids and parents didn't have to pay for much such as pencils, snacks,things like this. Now we as parents pay it all. The federal government has put there hands were it does not belong. Now they are failing our kids with their idea of what makes a good student! They failed them one by prioritizing over spending on other things instead of putting money into our schools, instead they ring them dry and want to cut more. School systems should be at a state level with state money. We can locally have a voice on how things affects our children! Education is number one and the federal government has failed and robbed our children. Please shed some light on why you think the Federal government will do better for our children? When so far they have done nothing but go right after cutting education funding when they run the country dry. What would be your plan? About Ron Paul he just wants to get the Government out of your life and wallet!

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Mike Judd

5:16 pm on Thursday, January 19, 2012

As a non U.S. citizen but Australian, I think I reflect the opinion of most people of the world when I say that I have always had a high regard for the People of the U.S. and their achievements over the years. But since W.W.2 their Governments seem to have involved more and more with the internal running of other countries affairs, usually in the name of "Freedom". This interference has rarely ended in a good outcome , and the death toll has been horrendous, both in the so called enemy and in young American lives. As an outsider , Ron Paul seems to have the right ideas on getting the U.S. back on track , doing what it did best in the past, creating jobs and opportunity for it's people in the U.S. not over-seas. All it seems to have now is a vast War machine that is of no benefit to it's citizens. Time for a change of direction America.!

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stanley seigler

8:13 pm on Thursday, January 19, 2012

@Mike Judd

as said on another PATCH thread: when BO is reelected he should appoint paul sec of defense...

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