YES! well stated!

specifics please: how does BO "consistently fail to understand, support and defend the Constitution and the laws of our Great Nation"

President Obama is doing know such thing. Also, you need to read the constitution, because you have know idea what you are talking about. When will people stop blaming the president for everything? I guess when he changes the color of his skin. I am glad that Justice Department saw through this for what it is, racist. Everyone in this country who has the right to vote, should be allowed to vote without having to show a photo ID. There has been know widespread voter fraud going on in this country. The republican party and the Governor of South Carolina just wanted to stack the deck against President Obama and other candidates. especially the african america ones.. It seems like the governor forgot where she came from. Someone needs to remind her of that. Power corrupts and this governor is know different. Yes, she has power, but she needs to come back down to earth and use it for good, not evil.

Read the Constitution. You are infringing on Americans right to vote.
Shame on you SC.

i agree obama and his thugs will stop at nothing... holder should be in jail along with barney frank and chris dodd.

The Constitution, if you have ever read it, makes it clear citizens of the United States are citizens in the states in which they reside. It also makes it clear theat the United States will guarantee a republlican form of government in each state (i.e. the right to vote.) Since South Carolina has a long history of voter discrimination its voter laws are reviewed by Justice by court order. When South Carolina beecomes and inclusive and democratic state, and stops it racism there will be no need for federal approval.

Shame on South Carolina.

To which Constitution do you refer, the one that entitles all American Citizens the Right To Vote if they're over 18 and they reside in a particular State, or the one that says we can force Americans to get a photo ID or not be allowed to Vote because we are Old and Infirmed, or too poor to own a Vehicle, or a Student who resides in an area because they go to School there, so we have every right to stop them from Voting. Because we are afraid of who they will Vote for, it won't be who we want them to Vote for. And South Carolinians should probably remember why they are required to have the US Government review their Voting Rules, because individuals like their Current Governors Parents and Grandparents might not have been White enough to have the right to Vote in their State if the Jim Crow Laws were still in effect. And Joe Wilson is exactly the reason that the Justice Department should protect Voters Rights, the LIAR.

You don't even need a picture ID to buy a gun in that state. We should have hung the entire state after the civil war for treason..

I GUESS I SHOULD BE ABLE TO VOTE AS MANY TIMES AS I WANT BY CLAIMING A DIFFERENT NAME AND ADDRESS.. WHAT IS IT THESE LOONS DON'T GET? YOU HAVE TO SHOW WHO YOU ARE LIKE ALMOST EVERYTHING OR SITUATION..YOU NEED AN ID FOR MOST EVERYTHING BUT OT TO VOTE? GIVE ME A BREAK.

Ekim. I have no doubt the voter with 4 registration cards was republican. Further more what good would a photo id do to stop that? Speaking of stealing ellections what about Bush vs Gore? You need to get your facts straight.

There has been no cheating.

it was open season for cheating when Lame Duck Bush ran for a 2nd term. I did'nt see the rightwing nuts like you trying to stop that....

fpm5352 I know you are trying to make a point with your fictional story, but I can't seem to figure out what your point is and what you little make believe story has to do with anything of substance. It must suck to live in fear like you believing every little story told to you for political gain by the Republican fear mongers.

Can you please stop lying ? I know its hard , but give it a try ..... you might like it....

i need an id for most things i do... cash a check,get on an airplane,show id if i speed etc etc etc. based on obama/holder ican go vote for me and six of my friends by just giving my name and address? nuts, just plain nuts.

Hey Karen in case you didn't know if you are registered to vote you had to show some form of ID to get your card. Now tell me why growing the government in S.C. to produce PICTURED voters registration cards solve any problem exsisting today. Did you just walk into the voter registration office and ask for a card and they handed you one??? I didn't think so. Stop buying into the fear mongering the Republicans are feeding you. There is NO EVIDENCE in exsistance that says there is a problem. But we all know the Republicans create a problem to act like they are doing something beside campaign for the next election.

It was ok when all the white people ran for president " all 43 of them..... " whats the problem now ?

If you would simply look around, you would see that there are many people, perhaps not in your social strata, that do not have nor need to have, a photo ID. This is a prime example of the attempted resurgence of Jim Crow laws.

Actually voter fraud and an overhaul of the method of voting came about after Bush/Gore. This has nothing to do with race, so stop lowering yourself. I have about every race in my family tree, so please stop with the race card. We have a half black president, when will the race card stop being played. I wish Allen West had more experience. He would clean Obama's clock. For now I hope Romney gets in and chooses Marco Rubio as VP. Killer ticket.

Agree. I think its actually a law that a citizen have a form of ID on their person at all times.

@Wounded Warrior

re: " I think its actually a law that a citizen have a form of ID"

when in a hole stop digging...THERE IS NO SUCH LAW...will apologizes if you can provide a reference...

a citizen have a form of ID at all times...are you thinking of the communist and nazis who required papers at all times...

might consider cutting a deal with the russian communist to use their siberian gulags for all caught w/o voter ID...

Because ACORN was found to have registered thousands of illegal voters. I love it when the left bring up the Florida vote in 2000. Here's a fact and I know liberals have a hard time following facts, but try. GORE LOST HIS HOME STATE! If he won his own state, he wouldn't have needed Florida's votes. It tells me a lot about a person when their own state doesn't vote for them.

Clayton that is a lie told over and over about Acorn and you repeating will never make it true. SO GIVE UP and get informed.

fan & faved ....

Simple. It discriminates against those that do not have id's. Voting is protected by the constitution. Diving a car, cashing a check, fly on a plane is not protected by the constitution. The justice dept is giving away guns? Do they take requests?

you got it--well said.

First of all Clayton there has never been a case of voter fraud in South Carolina and if there have, it has been very little. As long as people have been voting, why all of a sudden are some republican governors making such a big deal about this? I will tell you why, because the republican party is trying to do everything that there can to keep the elderly and minorities from voting, who normally vote democratic. Senate Mitch McConnell said that his sore purpose is too make sure that President Obama is a one-term president, and this is part of the process. People have fought and died for the right for people to vote and all of sudden you are going to take that away. No, that's not going to happen. The justice department did the right thing and if you don't like it, then that's on you.

Obama doesn't need any fraudulent votes he has plenty. But the Republicans need to eliminate as many Obama voters as possible to have a hope and a pray that there is still enough uninformed people like you around to vote for them.

Why did they ask for it when 43 white presidents was running for the white house ?

Studies show that as many as 12% of eligible voters do not have government-issued photo ID. That percentage is even higher for seniors, people of color, people with disabilities, low-income voters, and students. Many citizens find it hard to get government photo IDs, because the underlying documentation like birth certificates (the ID one needs to get ID) is often difficult or expensive to come by.
http://www.brennancenter.org/content/section/category/voter_id

Will Karen my son does not have a picture ID he goes to college doesn't drive and lives at home. I am also pretty sure most of the elders living with their children don't have a PICTURE ID. And when in this country isn't your birthcertificate good enough for ID???? I know when loons like you decided they are fake. Tell me Karen how much of the taxpayers money is paying for these ID's, tell me Karen how many new governement employee will we need to process our election fairly??? Tell me Karen when did American become guilty of a crime before proven?? What happened to the honor system doesn't it exsist anymore in the Republican Party. You people must spend all day looking behind you for the next boogyman. I for one trust MOST Americans to vote legally and until I have evidence that doesn't accure I see no need in applying that it is accuring.

If your son really does attend college, he has a COLLEGE PHOTO ID. He also had to present a photo ID to take the SAT! There should be no cost in people showing their ID at the polls. No one can function without an ID. There used to be a time when the "honor system" worked. It doesn't work with ILLEGAL aliens. ILLEGAL people don't operate on the "honor system." That is why they are ILLEGAL.

Why was'nt you whining when Bush cheated his way to a 2nd term ? why was'nt you crying about voter I.D in 2000 and 2004 ?

Karen, you should be asking yourself why bring this voter id mess up now? The thirteen or so states that are trying to pass this law are all run by republican governors. You have to admit that this stinks of republican corruption. Like Senator Mitch McConnell said, his number one goal is to do any and everthing to make President Obama a one-termer. This is part of there plan. Don't keep letting these republicans fill you head up with a bunch of nonsense. The republicans are this country's worse enemies.

@ Cornell Wow you are very militant liberal. You wrote, "The republicans are this country's worse enemies." I guess you really got brainwashed when you heard Obama refer to Republicans as "The enemy" Unlike you, I don't hate Democrats, some of my best friends are Liberal Democrats-I was a poll watcher at a sight on LI and I some the Dems in action. Obama won the election, because of the young, Ill informed, brain washed by their teacher/professor, 18 to 24 yr old who voted for him--The largest group to vote for him. I saw these KiDs who didn't know how to vote get guidance on "how to use the machine" The directions they were giving were "FIND OBAMA'S NAME AND GO ALL THE WAY ACROSS-ROW A ALL THE WAY" So much for being impartial. This isn't just being brought up now, it's been going on since Bush/Gore-What you should be asking yourself Cornell is why won't the Dems address it? Before you spat off about the Constitution. I'll prematurely say-I didn't read anything in the constitution that said I had to get a Social Security card before entering the work force, but my right to work is. The only fair solution: I think the Government should put pictures on SS cards to make them more valid. I bet you think this is probably unfair, or racists, or some kind of conspiracy theory You may not remember this, but drivers licenses never had pictures on them at one time.

He must be going to one of those online colleges since he can't drive.

Less than 300 isn't nothing. If it's one, it's to many. Voter fraud isn't a myth, it does happen as your own statement conflicts. The excuses I'm reading on here as to why someone doesn't have ID are ludicrous. Like I stated earlier, some of the proposed laws said you could use a library card, work ID, college ID, Community Center ID, Social Services benefit card, etc. Give me a break. Who doesn't have picture ID these days? I would walk through hell to get a picture ID to vote if I didn't have it.

So do alot of other crimes Clayton. You do know it is a crime don't you. Its a crime to own a gun if your a felon doesn't seem to bother the Republicans too much about that now does it. If there is any fraud in South Carolina election it is coming from our election commision not the voters.

Well said, Clayton!

So Mimi, since you're such a staunch Democrat, tell us the top 20 positive outcomes and accomplishments in Obama's tenure in office. You must put it in positive terms of what he's accomplished without blaming Bush. If the man has been so wonderful, I'm sure you and all of your other Democratic friends can complete this task in record speed.

So do a lot of other crimes? - Mimi, Yes I do know its a crime, as I am very well versed in the laws (My State anyway) Your thought process is exactly what's wrong with America today. "Well, there's a lot of other things illegal, so we might as well turn a blind eye to this." In my state smoking Marihuana is a crime, but that doesn't seem to bother Democrats now does it. They want to legalize it. Drugs, (Marihuana is a gateway drug-fact) and causes more harm to families than guns do. Democrats keep bringing up the Constitution. I've got news for you. The 2 amendment doesn't say anything about using photo ID to buy a gun, and nothing in the constitution says you can't verify some vote by utilizing photo ID. I don't hunt, and I'm not a huge gun fan, but I do believe in the 2nd amendment. I don't think that showing ID infringes on the right of someone owning a gun, therefore I don't think requiring citizens to show ID to vote infringes on them. I think you should find facts of fraud being committed by your states election commission, and brig it to the attention of the proper authorities.

So, how did you and your husband live for 43 years without a drivers license or any sort of identification? We're not talking about a marriage certificate. We're talking about a simple picture ID. If there's no ID involved, then can I take my two sons' voter registration cards to the polls and vote for them? I know their address, so is that all I need to tell the person at the polls? They're off in college and won't be home to vote, so do you think I should vote for them? No ID required!

Why don't you try that Karen and when you forge you childrens names you will be committing a crime. Furthermore I doubt you could pass for your sons but then again I don't know you maybe noone will know the difference. Furthermore I can put whatever picture I like on any ID anytime anywhere so yes I would be forging my ID a crime again. So what are you solving again???? Why doesn't the voting system go to finger printing can't forge that very well the technology has been around for some time, would also assist in tracking down criminals if someone kept up with the databases you could also share from State to State to make sure people aren't voting all over the country just because they have a post office box in the state and can simple get a voters registration there too. If Nimrata was serious about these PHOTO ID's then they would simply send a letter to every registered voter and tell them to go to the Voter's registar and get your picture taken, if you already have a voters card just need to show up and get your picture, all new people registering will have to prove who they are and a gun licenses is not proof of anything. That way they could also make sure that FELONS are voting. There are a number of ways to handle legit changes if they are truly meant for the betterment of the people. Trickery isn't one of them

so i can vote a dozen times by just giving a name and address of someone?

And I thought that Republicans were the dumb group, according to the liberals. How could they possibly outwit the Democrats? Giving the GOP an edge? BHO did that, thank you very much.

No Harry you couldn't you would have to produce you voters registration card or you won't be able to even vote once and furthermore if your name is not on the list for the precint your are trying to vote at you will not be permitted to vote even with a voter registration. Harry did you just walk into the voter registration office and say I want to vote and they just handed you a card??? You had to prove your idenity then why have to prove it again when voting????

Thank you for responding. I read a lot of these comments and I can't believe people and there ignorances.

C'mon. Voter fraud is not a problem. So few cases. Voting is protected by the constitution. It is discriminatory to those that do not have an ID. Maybe you should get a different doctor. I don't have to show an ID card. Just an insurance card.

yours doctors office must not know you very well. furthermore my mother who is 80 years old. on a fixed income. lives in nyc so never had a need to drive so never had a drivers license should be made to go out and get an id should be made to go downtown to do so? it is a racist law. they understand that a lot of the people in the power areas have to travel a far ways to get an id. why is this happening in only republican states. why did this not happen when bush was running for president. for that matter bill clinton, george bush one or ronald reagan, who by the way as clinton said also lost his home state. it is happening because they are trying to make it harder for the blacks or latinos who are here legally have to decide whether to get ids, possibly two in each household away from more pressing bills. take off your blinders to this issue. oh and before you think i am a person of color, i am three quarters austrian and one quarter polish 100 percent jewish. we all know what happened to my people when we were forced to register to vote 6 million of us lost our lives. stop being afraid. you will lose the white majority in this country. you will not be able to control that. it will happen and the republican party better start appealing to other groups or you will be under the full force of the liberal democaratic party

If it's all about our being racist, then why do we admire Alan West? You Dems need to come up with some other reason for us Republicans not liking Obama. Could it be his POLICIES???????? I've lived in the South all my life, and I have yet to hear one person say they don't like him because he's got a little tan. It's about his POLICIES and not his skin color.

Karen you are showing your ignorance when you try to use a lunatic like Alan West as some sort of proof of Republican intelligence, you are only cementing the beliefs that the Republican Party is a mess.

Thanks for the insult, Mimi, but I'm far from ignorant. I agree that both parties have their share of corruption. However, I fail to see how showing an ID to vote could be any more harmful that showing one to buy beer. I also fail to understand how this issue could be racial in nature.

Yea we should get rid of them all. I can't believe we have the GOP on this earth who actually want to make sure that everyone that votes is legal. I can't believe the GOP want to "teach people how to fish, instead of giving them fish." I can't believe that the GOP believe that someone can make more money than me, employ other people so that they can provide for their family. I can't believe that the GOP believe that someone who works harder than me, should live in a bigger house than me. Yea lets get rid of them so we can all get paid by the government, live in the same house, and drive the same model car, so everyone gets a fair share. Oh, that sounds like communism. OPEN YOUR EYES, THE LEFT IS DESTROYING OUR DEMOCRACY!

Clayton in you dellusion if that was even close to the intent of the Republican Party who everyone know they don't think anyone should vote except homeowners. Do you really think that if their was voter fraud that the Democrats wouldn't be sounding alarms too???? Or maybe in the small space between your ears you think what little CRIMINAL voting fraud exsist is only committeed by people voting democratic??? Can you hear yourself attacking your fellow Americans for their party preference??? What in the world caused people like you to embrace so much hatred that you stand ready to accuse your neighbor and friends of a non exsistant crime holding you and your party harmless of such crime. Are you really that clueless. You have bought into the hatred the Republican Party has been spewing for 3 years simply for political gain. I feel sorry for you really.

Mimi--The GOP doesn't think only homeowners can vote-That's a lie. FACT- Voter fraud DOES EXISTS, and we can stop, so lets. Don't tell me about Democrats "sounding alarms too." I used to be a liberal Dem, until I got a real job, and started paying taxes. I lived in a very democrat controlled part of the world, and I had to show proof that I was registered Democrat in order to get hired by the county. Did ACORN sound alarms when thousands of registrants were fraudulent. --NO! Unlike you I don't have any hatred against my fellow American. I'm not on here insulting other americans by accusing them of having "small space between their ears." I spent 20+ yrs in the military to protecting my fellow American, and my family has paid the ultimate sacrifice. I brought hatred into the Republican Party? If you want to see hatred, visit the Occupy Wall Streeters, where anarchy, assault, drug use, rape have been documented. None of that took place when the Tea Party assembled. Finally, Please don't feel sorry for me. I beg you. I have a special needs child, which wouldn't have been born had we listened to liberal Dr.'s. I learn more from that child everyday. The most important lesson I learned was that I'm a very, very very wealthy man. I don't have a lot of money, but there's nothing I need or want--I thing you need to open your eyes and enjoy this wonderful gift called life- Merry Christmas

Well again I say to you Clayton you can call people all the names you want and live in your fantasy world it is your choice, but let me assure you of one FACT. I have had a job since I was 16 years old. I have paid taxes every single year for over 35 years alot more than the 1% pay. I have never asked anyone for anything in my entire life so you see your dellusion that only homeless people are democrats is way off furthermore there are more democratic voters in this country than the Republicans have ever had, hence the reason it is so important to eliminate some of the Democratic voters at what ever expense. I am a Democrat and I do support Obama I am not please with everything that has been accomplished, but I am smart enough to see the games the Republicans are playing with Obstruction and lack of a better altermative. I don't happen to be one of the 1% and feel that anyone serving in Congress should be serving ALL THE PEOPLE not just the ones that can afford to buy their votes and issues. I believe at the moment that the Republican Party has other bosses besides the American people and can't buy into the Roman Empire ideology that they are spewing at the moment. I do hope however that the party manages to get its act together and their voters elect people capable of governing and who refuse to sign any pledge that is not attached to the consitituiton such as Norquist and any other special interest group willing to pay them. I truly feel sorry for people like you.

I agree edward unfortunately the GOP of today is what the party has developed into. There have been some very good Republicans in office, those days have come and gone the only thing left of the Party are protestors (mushroom tea party), Grover Norquist employees and the extremist right wing zealots. It is kind of sad for those who so desperate what their party to be what it use to be, but unlimited money and terms have ended those dreams for them. I don't agree with EVERY Democrat in office today, but at the moment they are the only party standing for the MAJORITY of the American people, trying to address the damage created by the Republican Party in the last 10 years. I believe the Democrats are trying and the Republicans don't care simple as that. The Republicans have caused more damage to this country than any terrorist could have hoped for.

FYI Mimi, I'm way ahead of you. I originally wrote that "I'm sure some there're some Tea Party/Republicans out there that believe only home owners should be allowed to vote." But I maxed out allowed words. They're some libertarians, and some Democrats believe that too. To say that Republicans think only home owners should be allowed to vote is deceitful, and misleading. You could work for MSNBC. With your logic, I can say that, "Democrats believe they're 57 states" and then post Obama on utube saying he's been to 57 state to make my OPINION more viable. The majority of Republicans don't believe what you say they believe. For you to lump Republicans in with the Tea Party is like me lumping Democrats in with Occupy Wall Street. Your post at 8:40 p.m. makes no sense. I didn't call anyone names-You did, and I never made any state implying that only homeless people are Democrat?

MIMI in reply to your 8:47 post: The Democrats are "Trying to address the damage created by the Republican party for the past 10 yrs." The Democrats caused it, by backing Fanie Mae, and Freddie Mac. They're the ones that blocked the Republicans trying to implement more regulation on Mae and Mac. This may sound familiar but guess what the Dems like Waters, Frank, and Clay said. The Republicans are being racist by trying to prevent minority home owner ship. Don't take my word for it. Watch a clip from CSPAN,(not some partial page you keep referring posters to) from their own lips. Watch the end where Bill Clinton even said it was a mistake. Watch how the Republican were crying for more regulation, and watch how Frank Raines (now works for Obama) says the government should be buying more of these bad loans. You got it all wrong-The Democrats caused more damage over the past Ten years. Watch and learn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

This time around Obama will not get the "White Guilt" vote. People relized they were sucker punched on that one. Fact: democrates will do anything to get illegal aliens vote. If they can't get it all nice and legal they will turn to fraud in my opinion.

You're obviously delusional, and yes I have scene the recent polls. Obama didn't win by a landslide in 2008. It was 69.5mil to 60mil. GWB received 62 mil in 04' Recent polls show BHO approval at 40+ percentage (lower than GWB at this time in 04') By the way, 1% of thousands and thousands = Hundreds, which is to many. I quess we should just let it go until it turns into a huge problem like illegal immigration.

Yes, Stanley, and there's no welfare fraud, no food stamp fraud, no disability fraud, and no Santa Claus either.

Thank you for the facts Stanley but addressing them to Clayton is comical at best. Clayton is trying to get a job with Faux news so he avoids facts and truths at every opportunity. He tries to imagin that the Republicans have been controlled by the Democrats and forced to vote on failing policies in the last decade, I guess he doesn't realize that you can easily see who was voting for 2 wars (one sold to the country on the lies of mass distruction) He likes to pretend that the Bushy Boy regime really cared about the 10.5 trillion dollars they spent gift giving on the credit card. He like to think that voting fraud was so bad that in 10 years Bushy boy couldn't not even address those small crimes. He was busy on charging his campaign repayments to the American people. You are on the right side of this issue Stanley, but unfortunatley it is hopeless to try to convince people who choose to remain ignorant.

@Karen: "...there's no welfare fraud, no food stamp fraud, no disability fraud, and no Santa Claus either."

and this relates to voter fraud legislation HOW?...assume you conclude if there is welfare fraud there is voter fraud...Irrelevant Conclusion...facts (if there are any) re voter fraud would be helpful...

You are so right, Ellen! It's not a racial issue, but when someone can't defend his/her stance, they cry "RACIST!" All of these people who don't have IDs must be ILLEGAL because any legal red-blooded American citizen can get an ID and could not function in our society without one!

Ellen,
Well stated! This fear of discrimination is just a smoke screen. If required to show ID which actually matched the person...voter fraud could be limited. Let's take is further and prove that based on the Constitution one man (woman) one vote...one US citizen...one vote! Some people are living in a dream world....some people cheat....some people have no honor!

Have you not beeb reading along? There is very little voter fraud. This law discriminates against those that do not have id's. That includes elderly, poor, & many students. And there are thousands. Voting is protected by the constitution. Getting on a plane or cruise ship or cashing a check is not protected by the constitution.

Here Here. Well said Randy.

I taught for many years, and every student in our school had an ID, and had to wear it!!! Your kid can't even play Little League without an ID proving how old he/she is! How can Granny get her Medicare if she doesn't have an ID??????????

agree!

Yea, Those sneaky Republicans want to "sway the election" by going after Maine's massive electoral votes. In case you don't know, the number is - 4. Stop with your liberal "conspiracy theories" I think they just want to make sure that everyone who votes is legal.

Just as democrats lie about how deeply they care about peoples health they are vibbing about this one too. They will promote voter fraud and justify it as they have always done. The facts historically are when voter fraud is discovered its usually democrats.

Again, Thousands upon thousands equals HUNDREDS. Here's some facts

Stimulus 1 Bush/Obama = Failure
Cash for clunkers = Failure
Shovel ready projects=Failure (There were none) Obama's words
Recovery Act of 2009 787 bil-Unemplyment won't go above 8%-WRONG
Obama Care= Failure, to expensive-For now part of it is now gone, because they finally realized the govt. couldn't finance it. So much for "We have to pass it to see what's in it-Pelosi"
Citizens were so against it, that Scott Brown won Ted Kennedy's seat. A lot of people don't understand how the Dems and Obama fooled the public. The Dems were going to vote on Health care before Brown could be seated, but with slick tongue Obama said "The people of Mass. have spoken-there shouldn't be a vote until he's seated" The public doesn't realize that Obama lied, because they passed the version that was never meant to get passed-So Brown never got a chance to vote on the bill. Every state has to reps in the senate-It was set up that way so that a state like RI has the same power as TX. The Dems circumvented the process, and neglected to listen to the people of Massachusetts.

clayton stimulus one was all bush. obama was not even elected yet till the next month. stimulus one happened 10/08. obama elected 11/08.

What a low tactic is President Robin Hood purchasing votes on the false promise he will rob from the rich and give to the poor. Robin hood and his merry men always kept most of the money for themselves is the way it works.

Tonto, you can invent as many "low tactics" to compare as you like - but doing so does not refute anything I pointed out above.

you wated three lines with meaningless babble but with the average intelligence of a Republican backer, you did well!

mm i usually misspell words to make liberal wacos skin crawl their theiving minds only think about stealing and correcting grammer :)

First.Once again Richard you act like a typical ignorant Liberal Democrat by starting off calling someone "Stupid" Which you wouldn't do if I was standing in front of you-guaranteed! The issues I discussed did not happen at organized Tea Party events. Yes, there were some Tea party members who got upset at town hall meetings, but Dems do that too. There was only one accusation of being spit on by 1 black congressman, who didn't have any proof-none, nada, even with cameras rolling all around. You don't think the media would've loved to show that. Richard, I don't care about white majority, as my family is made up of different races, ethnicities, and religions. I believe in the words of Dr King, and judge men by their character and not the color of their skin. Keep voting for Liberal Democrats and have them give you fish" Here boy, keep voting for me and I'll give you some more fish." Or you can vote for Republicans who say, "Come here Richard, I'll show how to fish so you can open your own business and become whatever you want.

Stanley the facts are that when voter fraud is discovered its usually always democrats. Do you really want to pick this scab?

Ignoring me Stanley? You don't want to pick the scab do you?

Outside evaluations? Wow those are the same numbers that the CBO have. Hmmm. Anyway, the CBO is like a computer, garbage in-garbage out. They go off the numbers you give them. Remember the CBO are the same group that said we could afford all of OBAMACARE-They changed there minds after it passed, and now part of the bill is already gone due to "unsustainable assets." So much for "We have to pass it to see what's in it." That was genius. I have a car to sell you for top dollar Stanley, but you can't take it for a test spin.
Are those W tax cuts-about 10yrs old now the same ones that congress just extended?
Ill concede the environmental affect and "difficult to gage" for clunkers, but not dollar wise. I've read stats that suggest that the people who took advantage of this program were in the market anyway. They just bought sooner.

The war, that I served in (MSGT Ret 10') cost 4,000 lives? That's actually a very good number when you consider 10yrs of war, and we lost near that in 1 hour on 9/11. By the way- All wars are financed-don't ask me how but they say it's cheaper. 1Tril to care for veterans-you think that's an outrageous number, but not when it comes to Obamacare. Look at the Middle East today. You have Democracy breaking out all over. Before the war there was only 1 Democratic Muslim country-Turkey.

Clayton, unfortunately the cost of a war in dollars is dwarfed by the boom in business and jobs it creates. Rome's economy boomed for a thousand years because they were at war that long.

Go Stanley! http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11352/1197406-373-0.stm

@ Stanley. Who's batting .00002 seeing how he likes percentages.

re: Link to health care: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/10/obama-administration-pulls-the-plug-on-long-term-care-program/

re: Bush tax cuts were good/bad it's always good to give tax cuts-always bad to give them when their unfunded. The tax cuts didn't cause the depression, it was bad loans being bought and sold with no regulation that the Dems didn't want. The said the Republicans were being racist because there a lot of first time minority home owners. See clip from CSPAN again-A watch Clinton at the very end in his own words.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

re: War-No one likes war, but I agree with Jefferson, "the-tree-of-liberty-must-be-refreshed-from-time-to-time-with-the-blood-of-patriots-and-tyrants."
I feel one death is to many, but not realistic. Statistics show the Iraq war doesn't rank in the top 5
WWII (4yrs 300k KIA) Korean (3yrs 34k KIA) Vietnam (47K Kia)

Re Middle East: You're being naive if you think democracy breaking out in the middle east doesn't have something to do with us being over there. We disrupted Al-Qaeda-When is the last time we were attacked on our soil? My very liberal friend said best right after the attacks "Defense doesn't work." Now he back peddles and acts like a lawyer saying "I didn't mean it, I was emotional."

@Clayton: "Stanley. Who's batting .00002 seeing how he likes percentages."

you are a cutie, but yo too cute by 1/2 remarks add nothing to the discussion...
someway this discussion has to be moved to another thread as most comments have zip to do with Voter ID law...anyway;

re: The tax cuts didn't cause the depression" (clayton)
agree there were several contributing factors, including tax cuts...most egregious was greedy WS bastards packaging sub prime loans and trading them as AAA bonds...the few who saw this and sold short are zillionaires today...and;
W's stimulus package (opposed by most GOPers) did minimize the effect of the debacle.

re: naive if you think democracy breaking out in the middle east doesn't have something to do with us being over there...(clayton)

you put words in my mouth then argue i am naive...never said USA didn't need to be involved in the world...just that the iraq war was a huge mistake...one death is too many in a war we were lied into...4000 is outrageous...criminal.
surely you dont believe there is any comparison of iraq and WWII...sodam insane did not attack pearl harbor...

re: We disrupted Al-Qaeda-
there was no al qaeda in iraq...sodam saw to that...

I'll take this one Karen. OK Stanley here we go. "4 Democrats and other political operatives," of the working Families Party (ACORN,) just pleaded guilty to voter fraud.(FACT) See the article in the Albany Times Union, but this is from Fox News (It was the only one the popped up when I searched Google, wonder why only Fox had this. Hmmm.(Opinion)
www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/12/21/officials-plead-guilty-in-new-york-voter-fraud-case/
Now I must warn you before you say that this is untrue, or I Iive in a Fantasy world, I know this incident first hand to be fact. Why, BECAUSE MY BROTHER IN- LAW WAS THE PROSECUTING ATTORNEY for this case, and he's very liberal-liberal lawyer(FACT), who would've thunk it? (Thanksgiving dinner is a political treat. I commend him-he put politics aside and did his job. (FACT)
Read my earlier post. I'm from the Capital Region, and its 2/1 Democrats. (FACT)I had to prove I was a registered Democrat before the county would hire me (FACT)This is just one case in a small city in upstate NY, and you think this isn't happening all over the country. Look forward to your Response, (Please don't reply with .0000002.) In my life experiences people use percentages to make things seem smaller.

Read the article!
Voter fraud is real
And voter ID laws are really needed; they are not racist
Sunday, December 18, 2011
By Jack Kelly, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The state chairman of Indiana's Democratic Party resigned Monday as a probe of election fraud in the 2008 Democratic presidential primary widened.

State law requires a presidential candidate to gather 500 valid signatures in each county to qualify for the ballot. Barack Obama may not have met it. Investigators think 150 of the 534 signatures the Obama campaign turned in for St. Joseph County may have been forged.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11352/1197406-373-0.stm#ixzz1hn0RMKhk

Tonto, you stole my thunder.

I,m sorry...here is more for Stanely: http://www.votersunite.org/article.asp?id=8535

Its the Democrats keeping the plantation alive and well. Now they are selling blacks out to illegals. The whores will do anything to take control and line their pockets. Anything but work and EARN money :)

Stanley, I got a bunch more embarrasments if interested :) take your blinders off and take the pain...............

Looks like Stanley needs to be spanked harder :)

Oh Stanley, your tongue is as slick as Obama's. Now you're more specific after you got slammed. Now you're asking for INDIVIDUAL voter fraud examples, which are the hardest to prove by the way. Here's YOUR quote that you previously stated to be fact:
"Fact: Our [ACORN] accusers not only fail to provide any evidence, they fail to suggest a motive: there is virtually no chance anyone would be able to vote fraudulently, so there is no reason to deliberately submit phony registrations."

Wait Stanley, there's more. You directed this previous quote at Karen and you don't mention INDIVIDUAL voter fraud, of course now you do after my brother in-laws case.
"you don't care about bs, yet you add to it with stuff that has zip to do with voter fraud...you can stop all rhetoric (aka bs) by just providing examples of voter fraud..."

No reference to INDIVIDUAL voter fraud there Stanley.

Now you say: "study from NYU Law School was provided in case there some who believed there was individual voter fraud...believe NYU has more creditability than most PATCH posters who get their facts from fox."

Like I stated earlier-Yes Tonto and I posted from FOX, because they were the only ones who had it. It took everything I had not to mention this case before the outcome, because of my ties to the Special prosecutor.

I guess now you want specific names of the people who are committing voter fraud?
Again-CA,IN,& RI have photo ID legislation, but there not calling their law racists.

@Stanley, Your above post states:

re: Maybe SC wants to be proactive. Maybe the real proof will be if this law gets passed. (clayton)
believe the law was passed...and there are still no proof of individual fraud...

Stanley, Stanley! Do you actually do any reading/watching before posting? Do you try to educate yourself at all, or just listen to MSNBC. Yes, The law passed on Dec 23, 2011, but wouldn't have gone into effect until Jan 1, 2012. What do you think? "OK you passed the law, now show me all the fraud?" I mean, "Individual fraud." I'm a compassionate person by nature, so I'll give you break on this seeing how you wrote "believe" I'll do something Obama can't do and take blame, and not blame Bush for my mistakes. I guess I should've stated: Maybe the real proof will be relevant when the law is allowed to go into effect, and after the election results are compared to previous elections. Hows that Stanley?

PS This is the first time the JD got involved with ID voting laws in twenty years.

Careful again what you write Stanley. NYU is a VERY LIBERAL school. I think I would almost trust PATCH posters more.

@Clayton: "Careful again what you write Stanley. NYU is a VERY LIBERAL school. I think I would almost trust PATCH posters more."

as are most universities/colleges...and there are good reasons...they encourage thinking and progress...and are not stuck in the politics of pre 1929.

"liberal" is not a cuss word...and is not an indication a policy/study is wrong...

trust PATCH posters more than universities??? NO COMMENT!

@Stanley. Exactly, Most universities/colleges are liberal, because liberal professors pollute the minds of our young. You know what they say Stanley. Those who can't do teach, and those who can't teach, teach Gym. Liberal isn't a curse word, but liberalism is. Liberals believe anybody can do anything they want except disagree with them. i.e. Obama administration. He didn't even listen to his own bipartisan fiscal commission (Simpson Bowles) He didn't use one of their suggestions, which is another reason US is in this mess. I'm not posting web site, do your own research.

Liberalism=Chaos. Look at Occupy WS. That was just a itty bitty taste of what's to come if we don't turn this country around. Ben Franklin once said. "Fear the fanatic whatever their passion."

Spank http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/12/21/officials-plead-guilty-in-new-york-voter-fraud-case/ Spank http://www.votersunite.org/article.asp?id=8535 Spank http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Democrat-admits-role-in-voter-fraud-case-2142541.php#photo-1556004 Spank SPANK!

83. Bankrupted the country.
84. Gave weapons to Mexican drug cartels.
85. Never quit smoking.
86. Bankrupted healthcare.
87. Sent the military to get Bin Laden to kick off his election campaign.
88. Pull troops out of Iraq for election campaign and watching anarchy set in.
89. Filing lawsuit after lawsuit against States while allowing illegals and foreigners to
do as they please.

I just made a attempt to answer the question that Karen keeps asking, but I found it to be difficult to list ALL the accomplishment of our President so I gave up. Maybe if she really wanted to know she could google it herself and realize what a lame statement she is making, but then again Republicans don't work well with facts they are fueled by hatred and misinformation that justifys their nonsense.

@Stanley: GOP caused the 08' Depression? The housing market fallout- Freddie and Fannie caused it. Did you watch the clip I provided earlier Stanley, or did you stick your head in the sand like every other liberal? This clip is taken for CSPAN, not some liberal site you keep referring people to. Watch how all the GOP'ers called for more regulation, but ALL the Dems especially your hero's Barney Frank, Maxine Waters called it a witch hunt and racists. Watch what Clinton had to say at the end about Democrats biggest mistake.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs.

Stop saying the GOP caused 08' depression-The liberal Dems caused it with their ideology of putting everyone in a house, that only happens in Utopia.

Staying on topic, Voter fraud exits.... It is extremely hard to prove individual voter fraud at the booth. How do you go back and prove that I took my brothers card voter card, and voted for him? How do you prove that? That is why you keep asking for specific instances after I provided voter fraud exists. Fact: Other states (CA,if you can believe that, RI, IN to name a few) already require photo ID to vote,
CA: www.sos.ca.gov/elections/hava_id_requirements.htm
Rhode Island: www.ri.gov/press/view/14195
Indiana: www.in.gov/sos/elections/2401.htmAs far as stay
Why didn't the JD intervene on these states????

@ MIMI/Stanley-you call these accomplishment? That is your opinion, not fact. I don't have the time to go into all of them, but here's a few.
#2-everyone does that, #4 Lie, he added troops (thank God he listened to his genl)
#8-Opinion, #9 except his when it came to health care-not one Republican invited)#10 funny-he hired most of them, #12 Not an accomplishment-I was part of it. Stop loss is a measure to keep our military from falling apart. I could go on and on-no time. You obviously got these OPINIONS from a liberal web site. Waste of space.

Plain and simple: FACT : Our country is on a path of bankruptcy - I don't care how we got there, this is where we are headed. The numbers don't lie. We have to CUT spending. We can't tax our way out. O's numbers will fall after the holidays, just like they did the previous. If we tax all the 1% @ even 60% we will not even put a dent in the debt we now owe. We are headed for real trouble that most don't even realize. The only reason we're not Greece right now, is because we are the worlds number one market. It's predicted that in 2016 China will be. When that happens, The dollar will not be used as the worlds currency. Right now we can just print more money because we're the worlds currency- we will have to stop that practice when the dollar falls-It is almost to late to say it won't fall . British Sterling-world currency 250yrs. US dollar-60yrs. bottom line: The economy should've been BO's number on priority-it wasn't.

@Clayton: That is your opinion, not fact

agree all is opine...it is even an opinion (yours) the listed accomplishments (facts) are opinion...this has been acknowledged:

"these are accomplishments in opine of progressive liberals...the status quo, conservative, GOPtpers probable prefer [accomplishments] unregulated free market policies that lead to 1929 depression and 2008 recession..."

is there a list W's accomplishments or the current GOP, Block BO, house accomplishments...

You automatically should divide liberal media polls in half for the real rating :) I believe that would put Obama at about 26% approval. Im surprised there are that many communists to poll.

And everything you try to blame on Obama is a result of the last decade of failed REPUBLICAN policies. Not to mention only half of what you commented on is factual. I understand when the only source of information people like you depend on is FAUX news the most uninformed viewers in the country. Your turn Karen being such a devote Republican what accomplished from the GOPers in the last DECADE that benefitted anyone other than the top 1%????? We will wait so we can respond like you with fairy tales and smoke and mirrors, but keep in mind we know facts and don't rely on a bias comedy channel pretending to report the news for information.

GO Go go all BO haters...you do more to insure a BO's landslide than his campaign staff...you drive independents and even old school GOPs to BO's camp...you are uniting the USA.
many thanks...

SPANK! SPANK! SPANK! Stanley...now go stick your head back in the sand please :)

Yeah go Tonto the lone ranger is looking for ya. Your post on this blog are useless nonsense anyway. What are you 10 years old?? or just one of the lazy people who accepted fairytales as facts???

Don't worry Clayton. They are out of paper, ink, the presses are broken down, and they can't pay the electric bill.

If America's super power status is threatened it is because of the privious adminstration along with the failed trickle down economics from the Republican Party. The Democrats have tried over and over to cut corporate welfare, subsidies, millitary socialism, but the Republicans won't even bring it up for a vote. So don't tell me about cutting. If is wasn't for the spending spree the Republicans went on in the last decade we wouldn't even be having this discussion. 4 out of 5 Democratic Presidents have balanced the budget 0 out of 5 Republican Presidents have balanced the budget. Who again are the fiscal conservatives??? It sure as heck isn't the Republicans who have done nothing since Reagan but increase the debt and deficit and Government. The Republicans have caused more damage to this country than any terrorist could of hoped for and they must goooo for this country to repair the damage they created.

Yes Mimi, its Bush's fault, Europes fault, the weathers fault, the gulf spills fault, the congresses fault, the broken down printing presses fault. All while Obama sets the record for being a golf happy President.

Stanley, more like Stalin, Chaiman Mao, Kim Jong Il not so happy days if we follow the DNC's lead to the "new" and "improved" communism. Oh, excuse me, I meant "socialism" :)

The Huffington post Mimi? Are you serious. You paste a bias article from the Huffington post and act like its factual. It's 5 am and I just got home from work. I can't wait to read this. It's funny, You liberals attack the ONE conservative leaning NEWS station(Fox News) It's like I posted before, Liberals believe anyone can do anything they want except disagree with them.

I didn't even start reading it yet and I can tell already how this article going to read. Did you look to see who wrote it Mimi?
Edward H. Levi Distinguished Service Professor of Law, University of Chicago

Hmm, Who else is from Chicago? Some lawyer? Oh that's right, Obama. I go read your "Facts" now.

@Clayton "a bias article..."

just because it's bias doesn't mean there are no facts...i read stuff from the heritage foundation. i disagree with their conclusions but dont dispute their facts...

huf post say

'labeled "voodoo economics" a year earlier by his [RR] eventual running mate, George H. W. Bush...trickle-down, supply-side, tax-cutting economics -- "doesn't work." It has been tried, he [BO] said, and it "has never worked."' [end huf post]

it didn't work in 1929 nor in 2008..so GOPs, .when did it work...

top tax rate:
1940-1963: around 90%
1964-1980: around 70%
1981-1986: around 50%
1987-2011: around 35%

tickle down, my sacchrine donkey...it's trickle up...

starting around 1981 (time of tax cuts for the rich) til 2011 the income of the top 1% rose some 200%...income of the 99 remained same or declined...GOP economists confused up with down...

tax cuts for the rich are paid for by cuts to safety net programs (medicare, social security, programs for the disabled), education (teachers), police, firemen, etcetc...

let hear it for the compassionate conservatives...

[NOTE: figs not exact, but close enough for talking points]

Stanley, please tell me why the more the rich are taxed the richer they become. Please Stanley.

And yet Clayton you have no problem accepting the nonsense from FAUX news as facts. Really??? If you actually read the post you will find that the sources of the FACTS can easily be research and confirmed as truth. However I am pretty sure Shawn Hannity or the drugster won't be including any of it in their daily briefings, cause that would mean people like you might stop and say wait a minute that proves me wrong. Have I been duped into buying the same garbage that has been spewed out of the Republican party for over 30 years??? Am I still going to buy it even though history proves that the Republican policies have damaged our country for the profit of the few???? Truly Clayton get a clue and a life.

@Clayton: "Answered several times Satanley, and provided several examples of voter fraud..."

regardless of what you learned at SERE or wherever... you well know NO examples of individual voter fraud at the polling place were provided...also as you well know, the only fraud the SC law addressed is "individual voter fraud at the polling place"...so why in hell would you and others provide election officials fraud examples...to confuse the issue maybe...for surely,

you know the difference and know SC does NOT deal with election officials and electronic fraud which they should vice wasting time trying to suppress BO voters...eg;

"Voting machines used by as many as a quarter of American voters heading to the polls in 2012 can be hacked with just $10.50 in parts and an 8th grade science education..." http://www.salon.com/2011/09/27/votinghack/

couldn't find university studies that say, "voter identification laws affecting turnout is about nothing"...anyway...

agree turnout AND the "voter identification laws" are about NOTHING...basically a waste of citizens and legislators time-energy...

said laws ARE a ploy of the GOPtpers to suppress BO votes...proven by facts there are NO examples of individual fraud at the polling place...

the GOPtper will be surprised their antics may not work and in fact may increase turnout...BO by a landslide in 2012...BTW i like all of the GOP candidates...except huntsman...he might beat BO...THANKS TPers for not considering him...

Stanley, you forgot BO won't get the "White Guilt" vote the DNC exploited last time. Voters won't be emotionally sucker punched again by that one. Might affect YOUR "landslide" :)

@Lisa McQuade: The US needs a balance between liberal & conservative in order to live our values...

agree...a strong GOP party is needed...but without the BO hater element and one that does not have as JOB#1 to limit BO to one turn...and;

both parties need to stop the truth spin bs...need to work for the common good...not to get rich and reelected.

ps. i make an effort not to use ad hominems...apologies if i have fallen short......also,

i (not a teacher) take issue with anyone who devalues any "good" teachers...believe lee iacocca said: "In a completely rational society, the best of us would be teachers and the rest of us would have to settle for something less..."

@Cornell Davis: "Clayton, for some reason you can't see this for what it is. You need to open up your eyes and ears..."

it's not just clayton...and my comments are not directed at clayton...he just supplies the straight lines...my hope is that others see/read and open their eyes...but "none so blind as those who will not see"

I'll take a flip flopper any day over a communist. Of course Obama portrays himself as a smiling Robin Hood. Well, Robin Hood wasn't such a good guy. He robbed from the rich, threw some crumbs at the sucker peasants, and kept most of the loot for himself. Hate! racism! its for the children! are the phony lines. Why do the rich get richer the more the government taxes them? Will someone explain?

Too bad the Demcrats want to steal elections by stuffing the ballot boxes and cheating :( The evidence has been posted and it clearly shows that most fraud is done by DEMOCRATS Stanley:) Republicans just want to post a speed limit on how fast they can cheat :)

re: " was that your wife or kinfolk who was breastfeeding in Target? Her last name was Seigler."

will respond assuming it's not a facetious question: just cursorily saw the clip, didn't know anyone named seigler was involved. not my wife and i have no living female...it was a female right:)... relatives with the seigler name.

Watch the reports from North Korea. It might help clear things up. Ask yourself why Obama wants to model the US after the European Socialist (aka new and improved communism) perfect utopia.

Tonto you don't even know what you want, what makes you think that you know what President Obama wants. What evidence or facts do you have to support your nonsense???? You know what your problem is besides the lack of intelligence???? You are a Paranoid Conspriacy Theorist. Nothing you post is factual or even believible, you are simply a racist, antagonist who doesn't even bother to research the nonsense you spew which leaves you irrevalant.

@Tonto

thanks for your comments...stay involved...andand,
read the liberal rags; repent your sinful, evil, GOPtp ways; and you will be saved :) :)

happy new year.

ps. as penitent vote BO and say 10 hail mary's

@Mimi: "the same garbage that has been spewed out of the Republican party for over 30 years???"

it been longer than 30 years...at least since the 1920's and this voter ID law is a prime example of their tactics...eg;

[repeating previous CLIPs]

"The voter ID movement is based on a bald-faced lie that voter impersonation is an issue... http://carolineheldman.wordpress.com/

"The purpose of new voter ID laws is to demobilize certain portions of electorate who are more likely to vote for Democrats, a goal laid out by ALEC founder, Paul Weyrich many decades ago who stated that “I don't want everybody to vote...Our leverage in the elections goes up as the voting populus goes down.”
http://carolineheldman.wordpress.com/ [end clips]

pls see previous post and links for details and context.

sad GOPs have done it for so long they are good at it and many actually believe trickle down, voodoo, economics work...despite strong evidence to the contrary.

sadder still they pander to a racist element.

Happy New Year to you Stanley. In the end we are all Americans :) Lets hope for the best in the new year.......... hope and CHANGE :)